1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,680 This program is about unsolved mysteries. 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:06,280 Whenever possible, the actual family members and police 3 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:09,280 officials have participated in recreating the events. 4 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:12,280 What you are about to see is not a news broadcast. 5 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:20,120 In 1884, one of the wealthiest men in New Mexico 6 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,160 built his wife the finest house money could buy, 7 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:25,560 a glorious Victorian mansion. 8 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:27,800 But after the war, the family members 9 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:29,800 built the Victorian mansion. 10 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,400 But after the couple's youngest daughter died, 11 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:35,480 the lady of the house turned into a virtual recluse. 12 00:00:35,480 --> 00:00:37,600 And a lot of folks say that her spirit 13 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,840 has haunted the mansion for nearly a century. 14 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:44,320 Tonight will take you along as a team of real life ghostbusters 15 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:49,160 prized to flush the elusive ghost out of hiding. 16 00:00:49,160 --> 00:00:53,000 In March of 1988, the head of a multimillion dollar drug ring 17 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,520 named John Rubis was assassinated just outside San Juan 18 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:57,640 Puerto Rico. 19 00:00:57,640 --> 00:00:59,120 Or was he? 20 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:01,320 Authorities now suspect someone else 21 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:06,680 was murdered in his place, and that Rubis is very much alive. 22 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:09,560 Legend has it that nearly 150 years ago, 23 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:11,840 wealthy citizens in old Los Angeles 24 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:13,720 buried their riches for safekeeping 25 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:16,280 during the Mexican-American War. 26 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:19,400 Is there still a fortune in golden jewels hidden 27 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:24,560 in the shadows of LA's downtown skyline? 28 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:27,080 Also a heartwarming update. 29 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:29,800 Thanks to your calls, the family has been reunited 30 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:32,360 after 45 years apart. 31 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:33,280 Join me. 32 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:35,840 Perhaps you may be able to solve a mystery. 33 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:36,920 This is the La Posada Hotel in Santa Fe, New Mexico. 34 00:02:36,920 --> 00:02:42,280 Nestled within its adobe walls is a 100-year-old Victorian 35 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:43,520 mansion. 36 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:45,960 Recently, that mansion has become the focus 37 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:48,600 of an unusual high-tech investigation. 38 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:54,840 No crime has been committed. 39 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:56,960 No one has been hurt. 40 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,440 No one has disappeared. 41 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,320 It's important to look at thresholds 42 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:03,520 as soon as we walk in as well. 43 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,320 Believe it or not, this team of investigators 44 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:08,680 is looking for a ghost. 45 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:15,320 So far, the information we have regarding the La Posada Hotel, 46 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,640 it appears to have all the characteristics of what 47 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:21,240 is referred to as a classic haunt. 48 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,280 Because of the history, because of the variety 49 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,480 of different types of witnesses who have these experience, 50 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:29,720 it certainly appears to be to look that way, 51 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:31,960 that it is a classic haunt. 52 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:33,640 We're trying to approach it very unbiasedly 53 00:03:33,640 --> 00:03:34,720 without any expectations. 54 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:39,160 So at this point, we're not sure exactly what we're going 55 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,240 to find or what we're going to encounter. 56 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,960 If Christopher Chacone and his team of real life 57 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:51,560 ghostbusters do encounter a spirit at the La Posada Hotel, 58 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:55,560 she probably answers to the name Julia Stab. 59 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,400 Folks around here say Julia's been haunting the place 60 00:03:58,400 --> 00:03:59,360 for nearly a century. 61 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:06,400 Julia came to Santa Fe from Germany around 1870 62 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:11,600 to marry Abraham Stab, one of the wealthiest men in New Mexico. 63 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:13,680 Abraham promised Julia he would someday 64 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:15,920 build her the finest house money could buy. 65 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,760 Seven children, and 14 years later, 66 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:27,400 the Stabs moved into Santa Fe's first Victorian mansion. 67 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:29,720 Look at the beautiful parlour that Papa has made, 68 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,200 Mama, with her favorite flower in mind. 69 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,920 See the rose stained glass? 70 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:38,880 When Julia moved into this house, 71 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:42,840 she became the queen of Santa Fe society, 72 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:47,000 all major affairs were held here. 73 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,760 Come, let me show you the rest. 74 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:54,360 They entertained dignitaries from the government, 75 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:59,560 President Rutherford Hayes of General Sherman, 76 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:01,640 Governor Wallace. 77 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:05,280 Big parties were held here, and one would think 78 00:05:05,280 --> 00:05:06,880 she was a very happy woman. 79 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:11,760 In the new house, Julia and Abraham 80 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,040 were blessed with an eighth child, a girl. 81 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:23,840 But tragically, the baby would live only a short time. 82 00:05:23,840 --> 00:05:24,740 Hi, baby. 83 00:05:27,740 --> 00:05:29,200 I'm waiting for the hand. 84 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:30,800 You're so sorry. 85 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,520 According to Betsy Solet, Julia's joy 86 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:35,040 turned to sorrow overnight. 87 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,840 I'm too careful. 88 00:05:37,840 --> 00:05:40,840 She was so disabroad over the child's death, 89 00:05:40,840 --> 00:05:46,000 and it said that she didn't eat or sleep for two weeks. 90 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:50,960 And when she finally slept and she awoke and looked 91 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:54,040 in the mirror, all of the beautiful black hair 92 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,520 on her head had turned completely white. 93 00:05:57,520 --> 00:05:59,320 All of the grief went into her hair. 94 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,880 Recoding the legend, Julia's stop withdrew from society 95 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:11,640 and was rarely seen outside her mansion. 96 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,000 When Julia died at the age of 52, 97 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,160 she seemed far older than her years. 98 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:28,640 In 1936, the Stab Mansion was acquired by the La Pousada. 99 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:33,480 Eventually, the modern hotel was built around it. 100 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,280 The front door of the mansion is reached through the lobby, 101 00:06:36,280 --> 00:06:38,320 and the Stab home is as elegant as ever. 102 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:43,880 The rooms upstairs, including Julia's bedroom, 103 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,480 can be booked by hotel guests. 104 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,160 And Julia, over the years, has had a way 105 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:53,000 of making her presence known. 106 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,400 I think there's something here. 107 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:56,320 There's no doubt. 108 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:59,520 Too many people, including guests who know nothing 109 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:03,320 about the history of the place, say there is something, 110 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:07,440 whether it's a ghost or whether it's some sort of energy. 111 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:09,200 I don't know. 112 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:11,880 The mansion itself was built back in 1882. 113 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:14,080 And it's the first formal brick building 114 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:15,360 in Santa Fe. 115 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:19,000 Chuck Barone was a hardened skeptic until 1991, 116 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,160 when he and a desk clerk took several guests 117 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:24,400 on an impromptu tour of the hotel. 118 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,000 Even though Julia's room was not occupied, 119 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:32,520 hotel policy required the clerk to knock anyway. 120 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:33,520 I'm in here. 121 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:37,720 I thought you said nobody was in there. 122 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:41,000 I'm going to double check at the front desk. 123 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:42,240 He went downstairs. 124 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,080 I stayed up with the guests. 125 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:46,800 And nobody came out the front door. 126 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:50,760 It'd been several minutes. 127 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:53,880 And by then, anything that was thinking about me 128 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,560 have passed, because I figured that there 129 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:58,440 was a guest in the room. 130 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:00,360 Let me try. 131 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,360 Security. 132 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:04,320 Curiously, the clerk had returned, 133 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:07,560 confirming that Julia's room was not booked. 134 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,200 Hello? 135 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:12,600 And as we knocked on the door again, nothing happened. 136 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:16,920 We went in, and the room was empty. 137 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:17,760 Nobody here, correct? 138 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:19,080 I swear. 139 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:23,240 The windows were locked from the inside. 140 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:26,280 Nobody had come out the door. 141 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,600 And I really have no explanation for it. 142 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,480 Around a year later, Chuck's son, John Barone, 143 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:34,240 who also worked as a security guard, 144 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:37,960 had his own weird encounter when he checked the men's washroom 145 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:40,920 at closing time. 146 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:43,520 Security locking up for the evening. 147 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,120 It's time to go. 148 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:51,960 I looked in the mirror, and there was a face, like a reflection. 149 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:53,640 I felt a cold chill come through me, 150 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,640 and something told me it's time to leave. 151 00:08:56,680 --> 00:08:58,680 I left. 152 00:08:58,680 --> 00:09:00,240 I didn't turn off the lights. 153 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:01,840 I didn't turn off the hall lights. 154 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:03,960 I didn't check the female's restroom, 155 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:08,600 and I proceeded out the back door, and I didn't come back. 156 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:10,760 I feel that it is real. 157 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:14,040 There is no doubt in my mind, because I saw someone standing 158 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,640 there looking down at us. 159 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:20,360 And before then, I was not a believer. 160 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:25,640 But once I saw her there, I felt like I was in a bad mood. 161 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:29,000 You know, I believe that she is present here. 162 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,160 No, ma'am, everything is fine. 163 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:33,560 Ross, will you turn the TV off? 164 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:40,320 This past June, Ross Weisenhoffer and Holly Norr 165 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:44,120 were in Santa Fe to attend a friend's wedding. 166 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:47,280 Even though they stayed in the room across the hall from Julius, 167 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:51,280 Ross and Holly had never heard any of the stories. 168 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:53,240 We shut the TV off. 169 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:56,520 At that time, I was up, and I was trying to go back to sleep, 170 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:58,400 and my eyes were closed. 171 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,480 And at that time, I felt something staring at me. 172 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:09,360 I saw the white aberration. 173 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:13,480 You know, I put my head down, and I'm like, my gosh, 174 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,200 you know, this isn't happening to me right now. 175 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:19,400 And then I looked up again for the second time, 176 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:21,640 and at that point, it started to become more defined. 177 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,240 I put my head back down, and, you know, 178 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:29,240 when I looked up the third time, it definitely 179 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,240 was Julius standing there. 180 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:32,240 Ross, what is it? 181 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:38,240 Ross, what's going on? 182 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:39,240 What is it? 183 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:41,240 What are you doing? 184 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:44,240 And at that point, I jumped up out of bed, 185 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:45,240 flicked the lights on. 186 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:46,240 I said, we're out of here. 187 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:50,240 Within five minutes, we were down at the front desk. 188 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:53,240 I've never seen him like that. 189 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,240 I've never seen him scared, especially enough 190 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,240 to have goosebumps. 191 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:01,240 He was definitely a skeptic before, and then 192 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:07,240 once he saw this happen, he was a believer. 193 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,240 So I was quite surprised. 194 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:18,240 Just two weeks later, Ross and Holly were back at the La 195 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,240 Posada to talk to Christopher Chacon from the Office 196 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:24,240 of Scientific Investigation and Research. 197 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:26,240 Was it getting brighter when you had the image, 198 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,240 or was it just getting thicker? 199 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:30,240 At the hotel, Chacon's team of ghostbusters 200 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:33,240 included a physician, a psychologist, 201 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:35,240 and an electrical engineer. 202 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,240 I looked up, it was getting more defined. 203 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:41,240 Where would I be in relationship to where you saw this? 204 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:44,240 Their goal, to determine whether the hauntings here 205 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:47,240 can be explained in scientific, rational terms. 206 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:49,240 Would it be about here? 207 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:50,240 No, shoot closer. 208 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:51,240 Closer? 209 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:52,240 Yeah, almost like right on. 210 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:55,240 Of the 800 investigations Hansen-Poltergeist phenomena 211 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:58,240 that I've been on, 70% of them appear to be, 212 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:00,240 have rational explanations for them. 213 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,240 We have found definitively answers. 214 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:06,240 However, there's another 30%, which apparently we cannot 215 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:08,240 find a rational explanation for. 216 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:11,240 They define the known laws of nature and physics, 217 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:13,240 at least as we know them today. 218 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,240 What it might kind of remind you of, 219 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:18,240 would you take a look at that and just tell me what comes 220 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,240 to mind and what you can see in there? 221 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:23,240 An important part of each investigation 222 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:26,240 is a psychological evaluation of the subjects. 223 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:31,240 She's breaking bad news or bringing bad news to the family. 224 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:33,240 Pull your arm back towards you as hard as you can. 225 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:36,240 Next, the subjects undergo a physical examination 226 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:41,240 to eliminate any possible somatic causes for the sighting. 227 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:43,240 One of the cases that come to mind is one situation 228 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:47,240 where a woman had a brain tumor pressing against a certain part 229 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:50,240 of her brain, which would cause these seizures. 230 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,240 And it would create the illusion, at least to her, 231 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:55,240 that some type of entity was coming 232 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:57,240 and having physical contact with her. 233 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:01,240 When we get to the aspect of the case 234 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:03,240 when we're looking into the environment, 235 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:06,240 we begin to take samples of the water, 236 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,240 samples of the air. 237 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,240 We take elements that the individual would actually 238 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,240 have physical contact with, pieces of carpet 239 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,240 with the wall, paint on the wall. 240 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:16,240 We're looking for toxic elements, 241 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,240 which could somehow affect them. 242 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:21,240 For example, certain types of phosphine gases 243 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:24,240 when mixed with air couldn't produce flashes of light. 244 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:27,240 And some might see this as poltergeist phenomena, 245 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:31,240 when in fact it's obviously rationally explainable. 246 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:33,240 After examining the environment, 247 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:36,240 if we don't find anything which is obvious, 248 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:40,240 we will then proceed to set up equipment in the environment 249 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,240 to do a long-term surveillance. 250 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,240 We would have specially designed radioactivity 251 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:48,240 monitoring equipment. 252 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:52,240 We look for electrostatic discharge of any type. 253 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:54,240 We would look at the magnetic fields, 254 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:58,240 both electromagnetic fields and geomagnetic fields. 255 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:00,240 We would analyze the spectrum of light 256 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:04,240 from infrared to ultraviolet and everything in between. 257 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:07,240 The environment, in this case the upstairs rooms 258 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,240 of the Stav Mansion, is sealed off 259 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:13,240 for a period of 12 to 72 hours. 260 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:16,240 That's a burner, Val, and go ahead and stand back with that. 261 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:18,240 State of the art monitoring equipment, 262 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:20,240 worth more than a half a million dollars, 263 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:24,240 is set up in an adjacent area. 264 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:26,240 Three down, and no arrest. 265 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:28,240 The team then returns to the environment, 266 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:30,240 armed with special thermal cameras, 267 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:33,240 which measure temperature variations. 268 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:40,240 Finally, the room is plunged into total darkness. 269 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:43,240 The team uses a most advanced night vision equipment 270 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,240 to examine the environment. 271 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:50,240 We have floors that are lomsighted. 272 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,240 At the end of every investigation, 273 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:55,240 the team sits down together for a case wrap-up. 274 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:57,240 Something that people can perceive, you know, 275 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,240 there are no air vents. 276 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:02,240 We were able to analyze the environment in every possible way, 277 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:06,240 and we did not encounter anything which was unusual 278 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:08,240 or extraordinary. 279 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:11,240 There's no vision, and there's no vision in hearing trouble. 280 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:14,240 Okay, psychologically, I think in terms of the behavioral profile, 281 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:15,240 I see... 282 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:17,240 The examinations performed on Russ and Holly 283 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:21,240 prove that they are in fact very credible witnesses. 284 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:23,240 Well functioning individuals. 285 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:25,240 I see no evidence of any suspicions there. 286 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:27,240 Based on all the results of the investigations 287 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:29,240 we've conducted here, we haven't found any facts 288 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:32,240 to disprove the fact that the La Posada is haunted. 289 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:35,240 There certainly then is that possibility 290 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:38,240 that there is unusual paranormal phenomena taking place here. 291 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:44,240 Christopher Shacon and his team do plan to return to the hotel 292 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:48,240 at least once more to search for definitive signs of a haunting. 293 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:53,240 In the meantime, if you should find yourself in Santa Fe, 294 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:57,240 if you should check into one of the rooms in the original Stubb mansion, 295 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:02,240 it might not be a bad idea to leave a single red rose on the windowsill. 296 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:07,240 After all, rumor has it that it was Julius Stubbs' favorite flower. 297 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:17,240 When we return, the puzzling death of John Rubis 298 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:21,240 did a cunning drug lord stage his own murder to evade capture. 299 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:26,240 March 7, 1988, San Juan, Puerto Rico. 300 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:31,240 Flame has consumed a late model car that had apparently been abandoned 301 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,240 in a remote quarter of the city. 302 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:39,240 The next morning, local authorities found the remains of a body 303 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:43,240 charred beyond recognition in the backseat of the hotel. 304 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:45,240 The hotel was closed for the night, 305 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:48,240 and the hotel was closed for the night. 306 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:53,240 The remains of a body charred beyond recognition in the backseat of the car. 307 00:16:56,240 --> 00:17:00,240 The only evidence that might eventually lead to an ID of the victim 308 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:04,240 was a fragment of jawbone and four loose teeth recovered from the ashes. 309 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:09,240 One week later, an anonymous informant told police 310 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:12,240 that the dead man was John Rubis. 311 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:15,240 It was a name authorities knew well. 312 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:19,240 Scott Rubis was a ringleader of a multi-million dollar drug network. 313 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:21,240 Headquartered in Puerto Rico, 314 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:26,240 the Rubis operation had a virtual monopoly on cocaine and marijuana distribution 315 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:29,240 in the Midwestern United States. 316 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:36,240 We were able to obtain dental records from John Rubis' dentist in Florida, 317 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:41,240 and we shipped those dental records to a pathologist in Puerto Rico 318 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:46,240 who had found in the burnt automobile four loose teeth and a piece of a jawbone. 319 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:53,240 That pathologist identified those loose teeth as being those of John Rubis. 320 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:58,240 For years, Rubis had eluded law enforcement in several countries. 321 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:02,240 Now fire had apparently accomplished what the law could not. 322 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:04,240 John Rubis was out of business. 323 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:06,240 Or was he? 324 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:10,240 It began with a few whispered rumors. 325 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:14,240 But in the months that followed the grusy discovery in Puerto Rico, 326 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:19,240 authorities began to suspect that the fiery death of John Rubis was in fact a cunning hoax, 327 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:22,240 a roost to avoid prosecution. 328 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:25,240 Tonight in an exclusive interview, 329 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:30,240 a former member of the drug lords inner circle claims that John Rubis is very much alive 330 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:33,240 and as busy as ever. 331 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:41,240 The sprawling empire of John Rubis operated with military precision. 332 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:45,240 A fleet of small airplanes ferried tons of cocaine and marijuana 333 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:50,240 from secret plantations deep in the jungles of Columbia, Panama and Jamaica. 334 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,240 The flights converged at the island of Puerto Rico. 335 00:18:55,240 --> 00:19:00,240 The drugs were repackaged and then shipped into the United States through Milwaukee and Chicago. 336 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:08,240 Between 1981 and 85, Rubis slipped an estimated $30 million worth of drugs into the U.S. 337 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:14,240 The Rubis operation was a model of efficiency. 338 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:18,240 At prearranged times, illicit cargoes arriving from South America 339 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:21,240 were dropped just off the coast of Puerto Rico. 340 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:25,240 Small boats were already in place waiting to retrieve the drugs. 341 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:31,240 In most cases, Rubis had hands-on with the drug trafficking. 342 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:37,240 Where a lot of the higher echelon drug traffickers normally would stay in the background, 343 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:42,240 Rubis came to the foreground and actively got involved in the distribution process. 344 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:50,240 The drugs were brought from the beach to a hidden processing plant in the Puerto Rican Highlands. 345 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:53,240 There, the large bundles were broken down into one-pound packages 346 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,240 that could readily be smuggled into the U.S. 347 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:03,240 John is one of the craftiest guys I've ever met in my life. 348 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:13,240 And his ability to smuggle drugs into the United States, unmolested. 349 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:18,240 You know, he had several years, maybe five, six, seven, eight years of successful smuggling 350 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:23,240 with no type of wiretapping or anything. 351 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:24,240 Don't get funny with my stuff. 352 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:27,240 You know, he ran a real stiff organization. 353 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,240 Hey, hey, Pablo! Pablo, come here! 354 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,240 Rubis was very ruthless. 355 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:36,240 That's typical of the drug business. 356 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:41,240 You have to gain your respect through fear, and Rubis was very good at that. 357 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,240 Well, I ain't got a problem. 358 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:49,240 In one notorious incident, Rubis supposedly became suspicious that one of his pilots 359 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:53,240 was running his own smuggling operation using a company plane. 360 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:57,240 And I see that it takes you twice the time using twice as much fuel. 361 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:58,240 I get nervous. 362 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,240 Yeah, but we have the problem. 363 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:01,240 Sam! 364 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,240 Hey, John, you got the wrong man here. 365 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:14,240 Yeah, that's right. I got the wrong man. 366 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:18,240 Open your mouth! Open your mouth! 367 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,240 What do you think it would take for me to pull the trigger, huh? 368 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,240 What do you think it would take? 369 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:25,240 What do you think it would take? 370 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,240 Go on, get out of here! 371 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:31,240 Get out! Get out! 372 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:38,240 Rubis ruled it was such an iron hand that it took investigators years to penetrate the organization, 373 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:43,240 locate the hidden processing plant, and close in on Rubis himself. 374 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:50,240 By December of 1987, authorities in the United States had enough evidence to charge 37 members of the ring. 375 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:55,240 Every one of them was arrested. Every one but John Rubis. 376 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,240 He seemed to have vanished into thin air. 377 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:07,240 Three months later, the charge remains were identified as Rubis based solely on the four teeth found at the scene. 378 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:11,240 In the United States, the outstanding charges against Rubis were dropped. 379 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:18,240 In Puerto Rico, police uncovered a vendetta that had apparently led to the murder of the fugitive drug lord. 380 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:24,240 Donald Kurtzer, a former associate of Rubis, was convicted of masterminding the hit. 381 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:33,240 Allegedly, Rubis was killed in retaliation for raping both Kurtzer's girlfriend and the 14-year-old daughter of Kurtzer's housekeeper. 382 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:40,240 According to Puerto Rican authorities, the night of his death, Rubis arrived at the airport in San Juan. 383 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:45,240 He was met there by two women, one of whom was ultimately convicted in the case. 384 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:50,240 Although he rarely drank, Rubis was said to be heavily intoxicated. 385 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,240 You were so worried about you. 386 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:53,240 Worry. 387 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,240 Honey, I miss you. 388 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:05,240 Explaining that they had nonexpected errand, the women drove their passenger to a deserted area on the outskirts of town. 389 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,240 Hey, where are we? 390 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,240 Calm down. Calm down. Look, we'll be right back. 391 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,240 And you're here, okay? 392 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,240 Let's go, girl. 393 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,240 Hey, baboso. 394 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,240 Get us some stuff. 395 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:01,240 Officially, John Rubis ceased to exist. Officially. 396 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:05,240 Yeah, what's up? 397 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,240 Hey, John. John, where you been? 398 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:14,240 But a few months later, his former associate, Richard, received a call from a dead man. 399 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,240 I mean, it's not a good time to go down there right now. 400 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,240 All right. I think I know what you're talking about. 401 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,240 Right. They closed down the old house. A lot of the people have been picked up. 402 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,240 I have no doubt about it being John Rubis, you know. 403 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:31,240 We had acquaintance, you know, over an extensive period of time. 404 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:35,240 So, I mean, you know, I'd know his voice anywhere. 405 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:42,240 We also began to receive information through some various other of the co-defendants that had been charged in the case. 406 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:47,240 That perhaps Rubis was alive, that they had seen him, that they had talked to him. 407 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:57,240 And what was reported to us was that one of the defendant's wives had received a telephone call from a person that she identified as John Rubis. 408 00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,240 Yeah, listen, I'm sorry things are not... 409 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,240 Authorities have another reason to believe Rubis is still alive. 410 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:06,240 He was simply too smart to let himself be trapped. 411 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,240 Yeah, just tell them I'll make it up to them. 412 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:17,240 Rubis, in the business he was involved in, illegal narcotics, was a very suspicious individual and took a lot of precaution to protect himself. 413 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:23,240 He never traveled alone, and when he did travel, he always traveled armed. 414 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:29,240 So, the facts that were put together just did not fit well with what we knew of John Rubis. 415 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:35,240 Two people have served time in Puerto Rican prisons for the murder of John Rubis. 416 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:42,240 Was Rubis truly the victim, or was someone else assassinated in his place? 417 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:51,240 Rubis was fully capable of staging his own death, and may well have had his own teeth extracted in order to accomplish a false identification of a body. 418 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:58,240 And I believe that there is substantial reason to believe that John Rubis is alive. 419 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:03,240 Whether he could have, he did pull it off. 420 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:10,240 I know John pretty well, and John is a very mystique type of guy. 421 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:15,240 One thing that he would never do is caught himself in a situation where he couldn't get out. 422 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:21,240 He always had an exit that most people didn't know about. 423 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:26,240 The bottom line is that John Rubis still rides. 424 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:34,740 THE DES abi 425 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,200 has nothing like an old legend of buried treasure 426 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,360 to lure otherwise sensible folks into the wilderness 427 00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:12,880 to risk their lives. 428 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,200 While these tales may be rich in history and folklore, 429 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,800 we've learned that they don't usually amount much when 430 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,480 it comes to actually finding anything of value. 431 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,680 That is until we heard about the buried treasures 432 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,520 of Elysian Park. 433 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,360 575 acres of hills and secluded canyons 434 00:27:32,360 --> 00:27:35,840 situated just two miles from the heart of downtown Los Angeles. 435 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,000 In June of 1994, unsolved mysteries 436 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,320 brought in a team of historical researchers 437 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,000 and high-tech surveyors to follow up 438 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,120 age-old rumors of buried gold and jewels 439 00:27:50,120 --> 00:27:52,040 that would now be worth millions. 440 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,400 OK, good line. 441 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,880 Incredibly, the sensitive instruments 442 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,000 revealed that the legendary treasures of Elysian Park 443 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,000 may in fact be real. 444 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:10,280 It seems hard to believe that 150 years ago, Los Angeles 445 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,200 was just a dusty pueblo, a quiet outpost 446 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,200 in the northernmost territory of Mexico. 447 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:22,120 But that way of life came to a sudden end in 1846. 448 00:28:22,120 --> 00:28:26,040 War had erupted between Mexico and the United States. 449 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,960 According to stories handed down over the years, 450 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:33,160 well-to-do Angelenos panicked as American forces drew near. 451 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,840 Some dug elaborate escape tunnels. 452 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,240 Others buried their family fortunes for safekeeping. 453 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:40,840 This is the approach of my mother. 454 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:45,240 I know, Kalen, but you have to be strong. 455 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,160 Now is the time to put things in place. 456 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,480 This was the best thing that they could do 457 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,800 to protect their valuables at the time. 458 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,240 And it was a customary way because there were no banks. 459 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,720 If you wanted to protect something, bury it. 460 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,640 Hide it. 461 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,760 Boys, help me with this box. 462 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,240 Elysian Park was the most logical place 463 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:13,200 for people living in the Los Angeles area at that time 464 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,240 to bury treasure. 465 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,400 Through the years, stories circulated 466 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,560 that some families never came back 467 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,560 and that their treasures were still waiting 468 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,760 to be discovered in Elysian Park. 469 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:32,040 In 1984, two sisters hired Roy Roush to explore in the park. 470 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,800 The women recall their father searching for one 471 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,400 of the fabled treasures when they were children. 472 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,640 Soon they located a spot that seemed familiar. 473 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,400 Right up in there. 474 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,880 That looks pretty good. 475 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,640 I realized that this was an excellent place to bury treasure 476 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,480 because it was a place where you could dig 477 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,720 a good-sized tunnel without being observed. 478 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,720 Those here were trees and hills. 479 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:01,720 Well, the first thing that attracted my attention 480 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,320 was on the side of a sandstone bluff. 481 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,320 There were three indentations. 482 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:11,320 The holes seemed to be rather symmetrical and rather smooth, 483 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,320 and it looked like it probably could be man-made. 484 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:18,320 However, it was quite possible that it could be natural also. 485 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,320 So keeping that in mind, 486 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,360 I'm now looking around for some other signs and symbols. 487 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:28,360 About 75 feet away, at the same level, 488 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,360 on the side of the hill, 489 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:35,360 I discovered some initials carved in the side of another rock. 490 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,360 Halfway between the two signs, 491 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,360 Roy spotted exactly what he had been looking for. 492 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,360 Evidence of the two signs. 493 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:52,400 He was looking for evidence of an old tunnel. 494 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,400 Hey, I think I found something. 495 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,400 It was not military. 496 00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,400 It was not a miner's tunnel. 497 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,400 It was not for building. 498 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,400 It was not an old toilet pit. 499 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,400 It all came together. 500 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,400 It was perfect. 501 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,400 Obviously, it was a treasure shaft. 502 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,400 There was no other reason for this hole being there. 503 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,400 It seemed simple. 504 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,400 Remove dirt, claim treasure. 505 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,440 The sisters said they had permits from park officials. 506 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,440 Roy suggested that the crew dig at night 507 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,440 to avoid attracting rivals. 508 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,440 We got down about 25 feet, 509 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:32,440 and I got a fairly good signal right in the center of the hole. 510 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,440 We all got excited 511 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,440 because metal detectors don't lie in a situation like that. 512 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:50,440 The instrument had indeed detected buried artifacts, 513 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,440 but they were not exactly what Roy Rausch was looking for. 514 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:59,440 We uncovered two very old flashlight batteries. 515 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,440 The oldest flashlight batteries I'd ever seen. 516 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,440 Even though I got no more readings with my metal detector 517 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,440 after we uncovered the two flashlight batteries, 518 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,440 we kept digging. 519 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:14,480 30 feet into the tunnel, another artifact. 520 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:18,480 The frayed end of a very old, crudely made rope. 521 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,480 This was bad news. 522 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,480 After finding the two old flashlight batteries 523 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,480 and the piece of rope, 524 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,480 it was quite obvious that somebody else had already 525 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,480 beat us to the treasure years before. 526 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,480 For Roy Rausch, it was a treasure-hutters' worst nightmare. 527 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,480 He was certain that he had been a treasure hunter 528 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,520 for the first nightmare. 529 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,520 He was certain he had found the right spot, 530 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,520 but far too late. 531 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,520 Well, whatever was in there was big and heavy, 532 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,520 but somebody's beat us to it. 533 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:54,520 It was a combination of gratification and disappointment. 534 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:58,520 The gratification was that we had correctly 535 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,520 found a treasure tunnel 536 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,520 and had excavated it. 537 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,520 But the disappointment was that after all the time 538 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,560 and money and work and effort that we put into it, 539 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,560 we had nothing to show for our efforts except 540 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,560 a couple of old flashlight batteries and a piece of rope. 541 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,560 Although he came up empty-handed, 542 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,560 Roy Rausch believes there are still buried treasures 543 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:25,560 in Elysian Park with a total value approaching $1 million. 544 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,560 To test that theory, unsolved mysteries called upon experts 545 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,560 from the National Underwater and Marine Agency, 546 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,600 or NUMA, a nonprofit group 547 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,600 that conducts both ocean and ground surveys, 548 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,600 their surface investigation was fully approved 549 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,600 by city officials. 550 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,600 All right, guys, let's go. 551 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,600 The sensing device emits radar waves 552 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,600 as it is dragged across the field. 553 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,600 A cross-section of what lies underground 554 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,600 shows up on this monitor. 555 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:01,600 An anomaly such as a cannon or perhaps a treasure chest 556 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,640 would appear on the screen as a discernible shape 557 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,640 among the colors. 558 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,640 Now, if there's a foreign object in there, 559 00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,640 like maybe a box or a cannon, something doesn't belong there. 560 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:14,640 We can see it. We have an image of it. 561 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:16,640 Now, we don't know what it's made of yet, 562 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:20,640 so we'll come back over and do an electromagnetic survey 563 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,640 to see if that cannon-type object is a log 564 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,640 or really has some metal to it, 565 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,640 or that box could have some gold or silver in it, 566 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,680 or if it's just a wooden box. 567 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,680 After the survey was completed, 568 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:36,680 computers translated the information 569 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,680 into these cross-sections. 570 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,680 Here is the first anomaly. 571 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:43,680 Though open to interpretation, 572 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,680 these marks could suggest the presence of a vertical tunnel 573 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:51,680 running to a depth of roughly 30 feet. 574 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,680 The second anomaly was detected 575 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,680 less than 10 feet below the surface. 576 00:34:56,720 --> 00:34:59,720 The survey findings indicate that this anomaly 577 00:34:59,720 --> 00:35:02,720 is not only a solid object, but is also metallic. 578 00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:04,720 If there is treasure here, 579 00:35:04,720 --> 00:35:07,720 I would prefer to see it stay here. 580 00:35:07,720 --> 00:35:09,720 I'd like to keep that mystery alive. 581 00:35:09,720 --> 00:35:12,720 I think it adds to the mystique of this park. 582 00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:15,720 I think it's something that people would probably continue 583 00:35:15,720 --> 00:35:17,720 to talk about in the future 584 00:35:17,720 --> 00:35:20,720 and help to keep the mystique of the treasure 585 00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:23,720 that might be in Elysian Park alive. 586 00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:28,720 Representatives of NUMA believe the anomalies 587 00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:31,720 may be important relics from the city's history, 588 00:35:31,720 --> 00:35:33,720 links to its Mexican past. 589 00:35:33,720 --> 00:35:36,720 However, it is unlikely we will ever know for sure. 590 00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:39,720 Obtaining a permit to excavate in Los Angeles 591 00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:42,720 is even more difficult than finding a buried treasure 592 00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:45,720 and digging without a permit is strictly against the law. 593 00:35:45,720 --> 00:35:47,720 Violators are subject to arrest 594 00:35:47,720 --> 00:35:51,720 and could end up in jail rather than on Easy Street. 595 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,760 Next, a man searches for the American soldier 596 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,760 who helped save his family during the final days 597 00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,760 of the Second World War. 598 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,760 Recently, we received a rather unusual letter 599 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,760 from one of our viewers. 600 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,760 She called her attention to the moving story 601 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,760 of a man she knows in Germany 602 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,760 who's looking for someone here in the United States. 603 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:20,760 Needless to say, 604 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,800 we were both intrigued and anxious to help. 605 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,800 So this past summer, we traveled to Europe 606 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,800 and came back with a poignant mystery 607 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,800 of kindness and compassion. 608 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,800 For more than a decade, 609 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,800 Siegfried and Marguerite Lyre of Maulenbach, Germany 610 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,800 have been searching for an unsung American hero. 611 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,800 A young soldier who forged an unlikely friendship 612 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,800 with Siegfried when he was just a small boy 613 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,800 nearly half a century ago. 614 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,800 1945, 615 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,800 the final days of the Second World War. 616 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,800 A Germany civilian population, 617 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,800 it was a time of uncertainty and despair. 618 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,800 Among the innocent victims was young Siegfried Lyre, 619 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,800 whose neighborhood in Ludwigshaven was levelled 620 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:11,800 by Allied bombers. 621 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,800 Siegfried's mother immediately fled 622 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,800 with her three youngest children. 623 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,840 The Lyres walked 125 miles 624 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,840 to take refuge with relatives in the village of Maulenbach. 625 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,840 They quickly discovered that the hardships, 626 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,840 especially for children, were universal. 627 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,840 It was very bad. 628 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,840 I was four when the war ended. 629 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:43,840 There was very little food to be had. 630 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,880 We had to go with smear vouchers and buy food, 631 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,880 but there wasn't much around. 632 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,880 In March of 1945, 633 00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,880 American troops rolled into Maulenbach. 634 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,880 The German citizens had feared the worst, 635 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,880 a conquering army bent on revenge. 636 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,880 But instead, they encountered a benevolent corps of occupiers 637 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,880 who provided them with food and medical supplies. 638 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,920 One of the GIs was a young man named Alexander. 639 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:19,920 Hey, you want something? 640 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,920 C'mere, it's chocolate. 641 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:26,920 C'mere, it's all right. 642 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,920 Hey, hey, kiddo. 643 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:31,920 Can you say chocolate? 644 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,920 Chocolate. Very good. Very good. 645 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:37,920 What do you like? 646 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,960 He was sympathetic to me and friendly. 647 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,960 If it hadn't been for him, perhaps I would not be alive today. 648 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,960 He was a guardian angel for me. 649 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,960 Good day. 650 00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:59,960 Good day. 651 00:38:59,960 --> 00:39:01,960 Where are you? 652 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,960 I'm Alexander, American. 653 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:09,000 The guardian angel took it upon himself to track Siegfried down. 654 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,000 Can you say soup? 655 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,000 Soup? 656 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,000 Is that soup? 657 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,000 Oh, soup. 658 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,000 Alexander took a genuine interest in the liar family, 659 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:25,000 and before long, the food shortages were a dim memory. 660 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,000 He brought us food from the army, 661 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,000 the same food eaten by them in B also ate. 662 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,040 Oh, it smells good. 663 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,040 Oh, yeah, looks great. 664 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,040 He used to come by every day if only to pick me up 665 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,040 and take me to kindergarten or to pick me up there later. 666 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:50,040 Each time he would bring a little food. 667 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,040 The bond between the German child and the American GI 668 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,040 grew stronger with each passing day. 669 00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,040 Alexander would often invite Siegfried 670 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,040 to tag along on routine patrols around town. 671 00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,080 You want to drive? 672 00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,080 Drive? 673 00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,080 G. 674 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,080 Okay. 675 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,080 Here, grab the wheel. 676 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,080 Watch the road. 677 00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,080 When I met him, I would have found a gift. 678 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,080 The night was allowed to drive with him. 679 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:22,080 That was the most wonderful thing. 680 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,080 Ah, Siegfried, you're driving! 681 00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:29,080 I'm really here driving. 682 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,080 The night was sitting in the car 683 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,120 and the other children saw me. 684 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,120 They were perhaps a bit jealous 685 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,120 because I was allowed to drive 686 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,120 and they couldn't. 687 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,120 I was fairly proud. 688 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,120 I don't know if you're going to understand 689 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,120 what I'm trying to say to you, 690 00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,120 but I have to go. 691 00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:52,120 Inevitably, the time came to say goodbye. 692 00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:55,120 We may not see each other for a long time. 693 00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:58,120 For a very long time. 694 00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,160 I was sad. 695 00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,160 Perhaps I would never see him again. 696 00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,160 As I think about it today, 697 00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,160 I was really sad. 698 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,160 Okay? 699 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,160 Take this, boys. 700 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:32,160 I have always thought about how he helped us 701 00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:36,160 and that I shouldn't turn and help other people. 702 00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:40,160 He was not obliged to us in any way, 703 00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,160 but he did it as a human being 704 00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,160 out of human love. 705 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,160 I'm not a human being. 706 00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,160 I'm not a human being. 707 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,160 I'm not a human being. 708 00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,200 Out of human love. 709 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,200 Today, Siegfried has only one 710 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,200 precious memento of Alexander. 711 00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:09,200 This photograph, taken in the spring of 1945, 712 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,200 at the time, 713 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,200 Alexander was approximately 20 years old. 714 00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,200 He would now be around 70. 715 00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,200 Siegfried Lyard does not know 716 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,200 Alexander's last name. 717 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,200 He does know that Alexander was part 718 00:42:23,240 --> 00:42:25,240 of an army unit that marched into 719 00:42:25,240 --> 00:42:28,240 Moorlbach, Germany on March 27, 1945. 720 00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:31,240 While there, the soldiers were housed 721 00:42:31,240 --> 00:42:33,240 at the Grünebaum guesthouse. 722 00:42:41,240 --> 00:42:43,240 On a previous broadcast, 723 00:42:43,240 --> 00:42:45,240 we brought you the poignant story 724 00:42:45,240 --> 00:42:47,240 of the Cron family of Anaheim, Illinois. 725 00:42:47,240 --> 00:42:50,240 Just before Christmas in 1948, 726 00:42:50,240 --> 00:42:52,240 Hilde Cron and seven of her children 727 00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,280 had been evicted from their home. 728 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,280 The only available shelter 729 00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,280 was the Henry County Jail. 730 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,280 Eventually, the children were all separated, 731 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,280 either put up for adoption 732 00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,280 or placed in foster care. 733 00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,280 18 years later, two of the children, 734 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,280 Marie and Raymond, 735 00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,280 managed to find each other. 736 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,280 Together, they set out to track down 737 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,280 the rest of the family. 738 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,280 For 18 years, Marie and Raymond 739 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,320 suffered through a series of near misses 740 00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,320 and false leads. 741 00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,320 Finally, in 1993, they did locate 742 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,320 one sister, Carol. 743 00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,320 Then their story aired on Unsolved Mysteries. 744 00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,320 Incredibly, within a few hours, 745 00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,320 two more sisters and three brothers 746 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,320 had been found. 747 00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,320 On July 9, 1994, 748 00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,320 we were at Raymond's house in Houston, Texas, 749 00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,320 as the Cron family gathered for their first reunion 750 00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,360 in more than 45 years. 751 00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:54,360 Marie's dream had finally come true. 752 00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,360 I've been looking forward to this for a long time, 753 00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,360 because I didn't know if I would ever get 754 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,360 to really meet him in person or not. 755 00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,360 I feel that the love is, you know, still there. 756 00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,360 It's, uh, it never went away. 757 00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,360 It's always been there, 758 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,360 and I always wondered about him, 759 00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,400 and now I'll finally get to find out 760 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,400 what's been going on with their life 761 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,400 and everything and get reacquainted. 762 00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,400 For the oldest sister, Betty Jane, 763 00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,400 the reunion was particularly emotional. 764 00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,400 I knew that was Marie right away. 765 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,400 Just by looking at her, 766 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,400 I knew that was Marie. 767 00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,400 And that's when the first one I embraced. 768 00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:48,440 I was very happy to see them all. 769 00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,440 They all start coming to me, 770 00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,440 and I start going to them, hugging them and everything. 771 00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,440 So I was very happy, and I feel good. 772 00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,440 I really do. 773 00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:02,440 For Raymond, the end of the search meant a new beginning. 774 00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,440 I know you're going to be tired real soon. 775 00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:06,440 Yeah. 776 00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,440 We got a lot of catching up. 777 00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,440 Yeah, we do. 778 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:14,480 I always knew that their names and everything, 779 00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,480 but I just as I, you know, 780 00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,480 I didn't know how to go about finding them 781 00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,480 or anything we hunted, and we just got turned down 782 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,480 every place we turned to try to find them. 783 00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,480 And then, until this came along, 784 00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,480 it worked. 785 00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,480 Thank you. 786 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,480 Join me next time. 787 00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:46,480 Perhaps you may be able to help solve a mystery.